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	<title>Comments on: Heroism and Nothingness: On William Stafford&#8217;s &#8220;At the Un-National Monument Along the Canadian Border&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Haydn Reiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haydn Reiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 03:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you are an admirer of Bill Stafford, check out my new film, &quot;Every War Has Two Losers&quot;, based on Bill&#039;s journals and centered on his poems and thoughts connected to his life as a conscientious objector. And the poem &quot;At the Un-National Monument&quot; is included and put song by the terrific John Gorka. www.everywar.com  The dvd also includes my first film, the 1994 &quot;William Stafford &amp; Robert Bly: A Literary Friendship&quot;. I&#039;d appreciate help in spreading the word. Thanks! Haydn Reiss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you are an admirer of Bill Stafford, check out my new film, &#8220;Every War Has Two Losers&#8221;, based on Bill&#8217;s journals and centered on his poems and thoughts connected to his life as a conscientious objector. And the poem &#8220;At the Un-National Monument&#8221; is included and put song by the terrific John Gorka. <a href="http://www.everywar.com">http://www.everywar.com</a>  The dvd also includes my first film, the 1994 &#8220;William Stafford &amp; Robert Bly: A Literary Friendship&#8221;. I&#8217;d appreciate help in spreading the word. Thanks! Haydn Reiss</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mitch - I can definitely accept that there&#039;s sarcasm. Exactly what that would mean, I&#039;m not sure. I approached the poem with the idea that the speaker wanted to make a statement about peace and had a certain sincerity. But it&#039;s possible to tease multiple speakers out of the poem, I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mitch &#8211; I can definitely accept that there&#8217;s sarcasm. Exactly what that would mean, I&#8217;m not sure. I approached the poem with the idea that the speaker wanted to make a statement about peace and had a certain sincerity. But it&#8217;s possible to tease multiple speakers out of the poem, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashok,

Your analysis is thought-provoking. I bring an anti-heroism bias to the table but, as you pointed out, the comment restricts itself to the assertion that the hero is the sky.

Out of curiosity, what do you make of the last line of Stafford&#039;s poem? It sounds sarcastic, to me.

I&#039;ve stumbled this page, good work!

Cheers,

Mitch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashok,</p>
<p>Your analysis is thought-provoking. I bring an anti-heroism bias to the table but, as you pointed out, the comment restricts itself to the assertion that the hero is the sky.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, what do you make of the last line of Stafford&#8217;s poem? It sounds sarcastic, to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve stumbled this page, good work!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mitch<br />
<span class="cluv">Mitchell Allen´s last [type] ..<a class="2d491625f8 5905" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/morphodesigns/~3/QOAGCqH7BDc/">To Have and To Hold ‘Til Deft Filters Part</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Felix de Villiers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix de Villiers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashok, for me it&#039;s a question of interpreting both the poem and your
comment. For the moment I&#039;m confused and give up. I&#039;ll just point out some things I noticed.

Remember your words, &quot;...an absence is not nothing.&quot; They apply very much to this poem. It is a war poem and treats the absence of war, battlefields, shots, bombs, mangled bodies that separate the grass, monuments to the dead, heros and nationailty.

&#039;ONLY the sky is heroic&#039; seems like a negative statement. Here the sky is simply a void. There is no heroism. We can&#039;t hear the birds because they are flying so high; otherwise we certainly do hear them and would hear vultures descending on a field of dead bodies.

Heroism and Nationalism (see Hitler) are questionable concepts. Samuel Beckett is unable to put heroes into his plays as the ancient Greeks and Shakespeare still did.

You say grass cannot hold hands, denying the poet his imagery. &quot;This is the field where grass joined hands&quot; is one of the most moving lines in the poem.

If people forget the name of the place, they must once have known it: may be, if they succeded in remembering it, it would become the place of piece and unheroic blue skies which the poem seeks to deny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashok, for me it&#8217;s a question of interpreting both the poem and your<br />
comment. For the moment I&#8217;m confused and give up. I&#8217;ll just point out some things I noticed.</p>
<p>Remember your words, &#8220;&#8230;an absence is not nothing.&#8221; They apply very much to this poem. It is a war poem and treats the absence of war, battlefields, shots, bombs, mangled bodies that separate the grass, monuments to the dead, heros and nationailty.</p>
<p>&#8216;ONLY the sky is heroic&#8217; seems like a negative statement. Here the sky is simply a void. There is no heroism. We can&#8217;t hear the birds because they are flying so high; otherwise we certainly do hear them and would hear vultures descending on a field of dead bodies.</p>
<p>Heroism and Nationalism (see Hitler) are questionable concepts. Samuel Beckett is unable to put heroes into his plays as the ancient Greeks and Shakespeare still did.</p>
<p>You say grass cannot hold hands, denying the poet his imagery. &#8220;This is the field where grass joined hands&#8221; is one of the most moving lines in the poem.</p>
<p>If people forget the name of the place, they must once have known it: may be, if they succeded in remembering it, it would become the place of piece and unheroic blue skies which the poem seeks to deny.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix de Villiers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix de Villiers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a subtly annalytical mind you have, Ashok! I have just copied the poem and your comment so I can think about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a subtly annalytical mind you have, Ashok! I have just copied the poem and your comment so I can think about them.</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Michelle - thank you so much! If it&#039;s possible, please do cite this entry somehow, especially if you disagree with it. I think there&#039;s a more straightforward reading of this poem: I was concerned, quite obviously, with a particular topic.

If you&#039;re interested in Hesiod, mentioned at the end of the entry, the &quot;Theogony&quot; is where to look (it&#039;s a 1000 line poem), and there&#039;s an essay on it by Seth Benardete entitled &quot;The First Crisis in First Philosophy&quot; which I highly recommend. None of that has anything to do with Stafford&#039;s poem directly, to be sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Michelle &#8211; thank you so much! If it&#8217;s possible, please do cite this entry somehow, especially if you disagree with it. I think there&#8217;s a more straightforward reading of this poem: I was concerned, quite obviously, with a particular topic.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in Hesiod, mentioned at the end of the entry, the &#8220;Theogony&#8221; is where to look (it&#8217;s a 1000 line poem), and there&#8217;s an essay on it by Seth Benardete entitled &#8220;The First Crisis in First Philosophy&#8221; which I highly recommend. None of that has anything to do with Stafford&#8217;s poem directly, to be sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was assigned to read this poem in class and write thoroughly about wat it represents.
Your comments have given me a new perspective about the poem and an utlimate writing theme. 
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was assigned to read this poem in class and write thoroughly about wat it represents.<br />
Your comments have given me a new perspective about the poem and an utlimate writing theme.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: ashok</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alyssa - no problem: please do cite this or spread the word about this site. I don&#039;t get anything for writing all this stuff, and that has to change; it&#039;s been 3 years of writing consistently now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alyssa &#8211; no problem: please do cite this or spread the word about this site. I don&#8217;t get anything for writing all this stuff, and that has to change; it&#8217;s been 3 years of writing consistently now.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you so much!
this really helped me understand this poem, and helped me with my poetry analysis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you so much!<br />
this really helped me understand this poem, and helped me with my poetry analysis!</p>
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